New feature

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Conductors with consultancies

I have found a small number of websites of conductors who run consultancies. Most of these are in the UK or US. Some of them also run a service provision.

Details of what is on offer may be obtained from their websites.

Judit Szathmary has Szathmary Training and Consultancy based in Hampshire, England.
http://www.szathmarytc.com/
　

Judit Roth runs Cerebral Palsy Solutions, Coaching and Consulting Inc., a consultancy in Virginia, US.
http://www.conductiveedconsulting.com/

Agnes Borbely has been running her consultancy, Moira, since 1987.
http://www.moira-cec.hu/en/index.html

László Szögeczki runs Independent Conductive Education Services in the North of England. Please contact him via email or mobile phone only at present.
http://www.i-ce-s.com/

Path for the Disabled Ltd is based in Exeter with Erszebet Gordon.
http://pathforthedisabled.co.uk/default.aspx

Krisztina Abonyi Bernstein‘s consultancy, Conduktiva, in San Francisco has a website at
http://home.earthlink.net/~conductiva/

Lisa Kovacs is the contact for the service Learning Alternatives based in Wales
http://learningalternativescymru.co.uk/default.aspx

There may be more I have not tracked down yet. Please let me know of any not listed above or any details which are wrong.

Internet News no.8

This is a list of items found on the Internet recently that may be of interest.

Conductive Education

http://www.ludlowadvertiser.co.uk/news/4818878.Ludlow_school_to_support_Megan_Baker_House/
Fundraising support for Megan Baker House

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/news/Generous-readers-Billy-sensory-room-possible-aid-experts/article-1652213-detail/article.html
Money raised for Sensory Room and possible trip to Peto Institute for youngster.

http://www.northantset.co.uk/news/Fund-for-James-reaches-5000.5891123.jp
Fund raising to send boy to Hungary

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Rainbow-House-secures-pot-of.5967635.jp
Big fundraising success saves Rainbow House in Cheshire

http://www.insidetoronto.com/news/local/article/396846--march-of-dimes-offers-seniors-daily-living-help
New services for adults being provided by March of Dimes in Canada

http://www.hertsad.co.uk/content/herts/news/story.aspx?brand=HADOnline&category=News&tBrand=HertsCambsOnline&tCategory=newslatestHAD&itemid=WEED30%20Dec%202009%2011%3A04%3A52%3A750
Mention of monthly CE group for Parkinson’s in St Albans, Herts, UK.

http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/Hampshire/Portsmouth/PO6/News/Local-News/152985-Fundraising-Mum-Uses-Skills-to-Help-Others
Mum is helping raise money for CE centre her son attends in Fareham, Hants, UK
　

Cerebral palsy

http://www.drugwatch.com/news/2010/01/29/mother-blames-botox-daughter%e2%80%99s-death-manufacturer-faces-first-lawsuit/

http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/botox-for-cerebral-palsy-recommended-7879/
Concern and warnings about using botox for cerebral palsy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8462520.stm
Teenage actor with cerebral palsy to play Ian Drury in film about his life.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/286059
New York man with cerebral palsy uses ballet as therapy

Multiple sclerosis

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1242441/Could-multiple-sclerosis-caused-blocked-veins.html
Possible cause of multiple sclerosis

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/besttreatments/2010/jan/21/new-treatments-on-the-horizon-for-multiple-sclerosis
New drugs on horizon for MS

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=2475272
Is new MS research media driven or the real thing?　

Parkinson’s disease

http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=154854
Current trial tests whether Coenzyme Q10 can slow down Parkinson's disease

http://www.viartis.net/parkinsons.disease/news/100123.htm
Report of survey of American prevalence of Parkinson’s disease

http://www.themedguru.com/20100121/newsfeature/treadmill-workouts-benefit-parkinson-s-patients-86131878.html
New German study reports benefits of treadmill workouts.

http://newslocale.org/health/hnews/nintendo_wii_balance_board_helps_patients_with_neurological_conditions_2010011911054.html
Wii board may help with balance

Stroke

http://durangoherald.com/sections/News/2010/01/21/Country_music_star_suffers_mild_stroke_while_snowmobiling/
Country music star suffers mild stroke

http://www.dnaindia.com/health/report_vitamin-e-may-prevent-brain-damage-in-stroke-victims_1334067
A new research by the Ohio State University researchers suggests that blocking the function of an enzyme in the brain with a specific kind of vitamin E can prevent nerve cells from dying after a stroke.
　

Conductive Education Centres in Germany

This list is one of a series being compiled of centres employing conductors around the world. The UK, North America, and countries beginning with the letters A-F have already been done and can be accessed on the left hand side of this blog.

This list contains details of centres in Germany (the only country with the letter G to have services with a conductor as far as I am aware) and countries beginning with the letter H onwards will come at a later date. If any of the information is wrong or now out of date, or I have not included any centre, I would be grateful if you would let me know. All place names are given in their German spelling.

Please accept my apologies for any missed accents.

Much of the information has been gleaned from a brochure produced by Fachausschuss Konduktive Förderung (Hrsg.) and details of this will be provided below.

Centres in Germany

FortSchritt Freiberg e.V.
Vorstand, Matthias-Grünwald-Str. 13, 79100 Freiberg
Contact: Regina Huber Tel: 0761/40 85 20 Fax: 0761 790 10 41
Email: fortschritt-Freiberg@web.de

FortSchritt Nürtingen e.V.
Kreuzkirchestrasse 6, 72622 Nürtingen
Contact: Dietrich Crüsemann. Tel: 07022/93 33 90
Email: dietrich.cruesemann@t-online.de

FortSchritt Ulm e.V.
Friedrichsau 2, 89073 Ulm
Contact: Christine Filus Tel: 0731/927 48 82 Fax: 0731/927 47 95
Email: fortschrift-ulm@t-online.de

Privates Forderzentrum Aschau
Bernauer Strasse 18, 83229 Aschau/Chiemgau
Contact: Elmar Kuhn Tel 08052/171 15 00

KWA Klinik Stift Rottal
Max-Köhler-Strasse 3, 94086 Bad Griesbach
Contact: Dr Christoph Garner Tel: 08532/874 61 Fax: 08532/879 13
Website: http://www.kwa-klinik.de/

FortSchritt Dürmenting e.V.
Steinachweg 3, 88525 Dü rmenting
Contact: Wolfgang Wörner Tel: 07371/44 76 14 Email: wwoerner@duermentingen.de

FortSchritt München e.V.
Steinröschenstrasse 14, 80995 München
Contact: Dr Helmut Hörtner Tel: 089/1 50 77 71
Email: hoertner@t-online.de

Bayerische Landesschule für Körperbehinderte Konduktive Tagesstätte Johann Nepomuk von Kurz Stiftung
Kurzstr 2, 81547 München
Contact: Hermann Behrens Tel: 089/642 58 148
Email: kurz-stiftung@t-online.de

Stiftung Pfennigparade Phoenix Konduktives Förderzentrum GmbH
Oberföringers. 150, 81925 München
Contact: Beate Höss-Zenker Tel: 089/839 36 393 Fax: 089/839 36 395
Email: beate.hoess-zenker@phoenix-kf.de

FortSchritt Starnberg gGmbH
Ferdinand-von-Miller-Str. 14, 82343 Niederpocking
Contact: Peter Van Quadt Tel: 08151/20 41 Fax: 0851/729 86
Email: mailto:verian@fortschritt-starnberg.de

Verein für Menschen mit Körperbehinderung e.V.
Zerzabelshofstr. 29, 90478 Nürnberg
Contact: Anita Moos-Hlavacek Tel: 0911/462 63 50 Fax: 0911 462 35 10
Email: moos@behinderte-nuernberg.de

Konduktive Förderung für Kinder und Erwachsene
Arndt Strasse 21, 90419 Nü rnberg
Contact: Susie Mallett Tel: 0911/941 23 17
Email: small66711@aol.com Website: http://www.susie-mallet.org

FortSchrittRosenheim e.V.
Arnulfstrasse 28, 83026 Rosenheim
Contact: Doris Weisbach Tel: 08031/908 19 50 Fax: 08031/908 19 60
Email: fortschritt-rosenhein@arcor.de or weisbach@surfEU.de

Lebenshilfe Kreisvereinigung Tirschenreuth
Waldsassener Strasse 9, 95666 Mitterteich
Contact: Berthold Kellner Tel: 09633/918 360 Fax: 09633/ 918 362
Email: berthold.kellner@lebenshilfe-tirschenreuth.de

Blindeninstitutstiftung Einrichtung für Konduktive Förderung
Ohmstr. 7, 97076 Würzburg
Contact: Birgit vom Busch Email: vombusch@gmx.de

FortSchritt Würzburg
Ohmstr.7, Haus 4, Gruppe a/b, 97076 Wü rzburg
Contact: Dr Christiane Scheler Tel: 0931/270 55 30 Fax: 0931 270 55 31
Email: fortschrittwuerzburg@t-online.de

Rehabilitationszentrum Berlin Ost e.V.
Allee der Kosmonauten 15, 10315 Berlin
Contact: Helmut Siebert Tel: 030/549 96 30 Fax: 030/ 541 81 22
Email: rbo@rbo-info.de Website: http://www.rbo-info.de/

HELIOS Klinik Hohenstücken
Brahmsstrasse 38, 14772 Brandenburg a.d. Havel
Contact: Dr Martin Köhler Tel: 03381/791 118 Fax: 03381/ 791 119
Email: martin.Koehler@helios-kliniken.de Website: www.helios-kliniken.de/hohenstücken

FortSchritt Berlin/Brandenurg e.V.
Cottbusser Strasse 33, 03096 Werben
Contact: Fred Scheler Tel: 035603/700 90 Fax: 035603/ 759 046
Email: r.f.scheler@t-online.de

FortSchritt Nordhessen e.V.
Schöneuberger Strasse 3, 34128 Kassel
Contact: Barbara Klemm-Röbig Tel: 0561/884 587 Email: klemm-roebig@t-online.de

Förderverein Kinderneurologie Königsstein e.V.
Alt-Sossenheim 3, 65936 Königsstein
Contact: Roswitha Fusik or Monika Benz Tel: 069/27 29 38 66
Email: info@petoe-konigstein.de Website: http://www.peto-königstein.de/

Fortschritt Frankfurt e.V.
Esztergomstrasse 33, 63477 Maintal
Contact: Christoph Drescher Tel: 06181/945 50 421
Email: info@cdrescher.de Website: http://www.fortschritt-frankfurt.1kx.de/

FortSchritt Walldorf e.V.
Josef-Reiert-Strasse 4, 69190 Walldorf OR Plattenseestrasse 3a, 69168 Wiesloch
Contact: Susanne Huber Tel: 06222/755 16 Fax: 06222/307 414
Email: info@fortschritt-walldorf.de

Fortschritt im Osnabrücker Land e.V.
Venner Str 9, 49565 Bramsche
Contact: Ulrike Renzenbrink Tel: 05468/922 025
Email: Wilhelm@renzenbrink.de

FortSchritt Hannover e.V.
Im Tale 1, 30922 Seelze
Contact: Frank Heilman Tel: 05137/127 211 Fax: 05137/ 825 09 70
Email: fheilmann@fortschritt-hannover.de

Zentrum für Frühbehandlung und Frühförderung
Maarweg 130, 50825 Köln
Contact: Dr Rainer J. Wilmes Tel: 0221/95 42 50 42 Fax: 0221/95 42 50 55
Email: aerzte@fruehbehandlung.de

FortSchritt Düsseldorf e.V.
Kolpingstrasse 35, 40764 Langenfeld
Contact: Andreas Hocheuser Tel: 02173/ 683 806 Fax: 02173/ 683 805
Email: fortschrittD@aol.com

Konduktive Förderung für Kinder and Erwachsene Kinder und Erwachsene
Thunemeiershof 7, 33102 Padeborn
Contact: Raphaela Ross Tel: 05251/ 184 00 00 Fax: 05251/ 709 43 84
Email: info@raphaela-ross.de Website: http://www.raphaela-ross.de/

Zentrum für Konduktive Therapie (Kooperation mit dem SPZ des Ev. Krankenhauses …Oberhausen) & Fortschritt im Revier e.V.
Falkensteinstrasse 20, 46047 Oberhausen.
Contact: Udo Fischer Tel: 0208/ 880 760 Fax: 0208/880 76 15
Email: info@zentrum-konduktive-therapie.de Website: http://www.zentrum-konduktive-therapie.de/
OR contact Fortschritt im Revier at
Stalhermstrasse 43, 45968 Gladbeck
Tel: 02043/631 85 Fax: 02043/677 89

St Nikolaus Stiftshospital GmbH Zentrum fûr Konduktive Therapie
Hindenburgwall 1, 56626 Andernach
Contact: Hans Peter Mayer via Frau Koch Tel: 02632/ 404 57 53
Email: a.koch@stiftshospital-andernach.de

Verein Ponte Kö e.V.
Seumestrasse 35, 06667 Weissenfeis
Contact: Annelies Herrmann Tel: 03443/33 31 70
Email: hallo@pontekoe.com

Schrittweise e.V.
Erich-Mäder-Strasse 4, 04603 Windischleuba
Contact: Christine Burger Tel: 03447/ 83 99 07 Fax: 03447/83 15 18
Email: burger@schrittweise.org

Reference

Fachausschuss Konduktive Förderung (Hrsg.) (2009) Konduktive Förderung. Düsseldorf: FKF.

More newsletters

I have been told of two more newsletters which have been added to the list.

This list has now been added to the other directories in the left hand column and will be updated each time I discover another newsletter.

Please keep them coming!

Conductive Education Newsletters

A number of centres and organisations now produce a newsletter for their users, staff and friends to keep them up to date with such things as progress of the children, fundraising events, staff changes and general development. These do not usually include information about other CE services and organisations unless there is some connection recently created or visits made, but concentrate on the local progress, activities and financial contributions.

Initially such publications were circulated on paper by hand or via the post, but are now mainly uploaded on to the organisation’s website, thus gaining a much wider audience.

I have managed to compile the following list and would be grateful for details of any I have missed, so I can update it.

North America

ACENA

http://www.acena.org/acena-newsletters.html

Conductive Learning Center, Aquinas

http://conductivelearningcenter.org/class/

A Child Can Do All Things

http://www.accdat.org/ This newsletter needs signing up for and is sent by email

March of Dimes

http://www.marchofdimes.ca/dimes/people_with_disabilities_caregivers/programs_and_services/conductive_education/CE_newsletter.htm

Movement Centre, Manitoba

http://movementcentre.ca/newsletter.aspx

Australia and New Zealand

NACE (South Australia)

http://www.conductiveeducationsa.com/newsletter.htm

Conductive Education Centre (Western Australia)

http://www.conductiveedwa.com.au/newsletter/CECWA-Issue3-Term4-09.pdf

Auckland Conductive Education Foundation

http://www.acef.org.nz/introfound.htm

New Zealand Foundation for Conductive Education

http://www.conductive-education.org.nz/

Addington School New Zealand

http://www.addington.school.nz/newsletter.htm

UK

Megan Baker House

http://www.meganbakerhouse.org.uk/newsletters.php

Pace Centre, Aylesbury

http://www.thepacecentre.org/newsletter.html

Legacy Rainbow House

http://rainbowhouse.msgfocus.com/q/1p5zYHShwq1HV/wv

ITI

http://www.iti-uk.org/frameset.htm

Stick’n’Step

http://www.sticknstep.org/File/newsletter.asp

Rest of the world

Tsad Kadima, Israel

In Hebrew and English

http://www.tsadkadima.org.il/?CategoryID=187&ArticleID=101&sng=1

http://www.tsadkadima.org.il/?CategoryID=165&ArticleID=99&sng=1

The Ranger Foundation, Mauritius

http://www.therangerfoundation.org/index.php?id=60

Another type of group work

The weather here in the UK is dreadful at the moment with lots of snow and ice which always means the the whole country grinds to a halt, even when it has been forecast and there is time to prepare. Schools close and getting around can be difficult. Why we as a country can not cope, I do not know, but it is always so!

Indoors trying to keep warm, I thought I would do a blog about my reading group.

Every six weeks or so , six of us meet as a Reading Group to discuss the latest choice of book and catch up with each others news. The group was formed ten years ago when most of us were working at the Foundation for Conductive Education and because we get on so well, we have kept in touch in this way, while enjoying a good read at the same time. No-one is still involved with the organisation except for our latest recruit who is a volunteer.

We take turns to choose a book, (in alphabetical order by surname) and this person chooses the meeting venue - usually a restaurant in Birmingham with a special dining offer. After reading six choices we then open 1001 books you should read at random and that becomes the next book to read and discuss. We then return to each of us choosing in the order mentioned.

Over the years we have read and discussed a wide variety of books, some I have enjoyed, some have been disappointing and some downright awful - to me, anyway. I did not like Perfume or The Reader and found Bill Bryson’s A Short History of Everything very demanding. Some have been delightful, for example, Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day, and Alan Bennett’s The Common Reader.

Sandra has chosen Kafka’s soup, which is a history of literature in seventeen recipes. I have just finished this and it is a winner for me. The recipes look very do-able and he has written wonderful pastiches in the style of each author. I particularly like the Raymond Chandler, Jane Austen and Charles Dickens. Some of the authors' writing I am not that familiar with but have still enjoyed Franz Kafka, Harold Pinter and Marcel Proust.

This is a lovely witty read, and also a very good antidote to the cold weather. Cheap copies are available via Amazon.

References

Bryson, B. (2004) A short history of nearly everything. London: Black Swan.

Bennett, A. (2008) The uncommon reader. London: Faber and Faber.

Boxall, P., ed. (2008) 1001 books to read before you die. London; Cassell.

Crick, M. (2007) Kafka's soup; a history of literature in 17 recipes. London: Granta Books.

Schlink, B. (1998) The reader. London: Phoenix.

Suskind, P. (2007) Perfume. London: Penguin.

Watson, W. (2008) Miss Pettigrew lives for a day. London: Persephone Classics.

New Job Centre off to a good start

The new Job Centre set up for conductors seems to be off to a reasonable start considering the time of year.

There are a number of vacancies up at the moment so if you are looking for a job or want to advertise a post , please go to

http://www.facebook.com/pages/CONDUCTIVE-WORLD-JOBS/376055890606?ref=search&sid=1540593482.2828234181..1#/pages/CONDUCTIVE-WORLD-JOBS/376055890606?v=info&ref=search

Do let me know how you get on, whether you are a conductor looking for work, or a centre looking for a conductor, as it would be interesting to know how many responses each vacancy gets.

Peto Institute is no longer the only option

Over the past year, and particularly this last week, I have been seeing news items about parents raising money to take their children to the Peto Institute in Budapest. A very worthwhile aim but these parents do not seem to have any awareness of the availability of Conductive Education services with conductors, not just in their own country, but very near home and quite often free, or at least subsidised in some way.

One of the stories reported the efforst of a family in Corby, Northants which cannot be that far from the Leicestershire Steps Centre and I assume they are not aware of this.

http://www.northantset.co.uk/news/Fund-for-James-reaches-5000.5891123.jp

http://www.ludlowadvertiser.co.uk/news/4818878.Ludlow_school_to_support_Megan_Baker_House/

http://www.stepscentre.org.uk/apps/content/html/viewcontent.aspx?id=1

It seems that Conductive Education still has a long way to go not only in promoting its benefits, but also promoting the services available locally. A difficult task and something to aim for in 2010.

I will try and do my bit and keep my lists of centres up to date and also aim to produce lists of services in more countries.

Another year - its now 2010

It is now the first day of 2010 and I wish you all a happy, healthy year.

Last year was not the best for me and I can hardly believe that its nine months since I left the National Library of Conductive Education on 4 March 2009. Even though I wanted to saty in touch with the conductive world, I was not sure that it would be possible for me to carry on with this blog. But so far so good, and I am looking forward to 2010 being a positive, productive year in many respects.

Looking at the statistics I have been pleased to see that an average of 100 people have viewed the blog each week - thank you, and keep it up along with your enquiries and suggestions.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Season's greetings to you all.

I hope 2010 will be a happy, healthy year for everybody. I am still recovering from the nasty virus I caught a few weeks ago so this posting is a little late, but better late than never, as they say!

Internet News no.7

It has been quiet on the Internet over the past weeks but here are some links that I have found that may be of interest.

Conductive Education

http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/4735281.New_chief_executive_for_Megan_Baker_House/
New chief executive for Megan Baker House, CE Centre, UK

http://www.guardian.co.uk/publicservicesawards/runners-up
Joe Mawdsley, Rainbow Legacy Centre, UK, runner up for award.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200911/20091118/article_419793.htm
Conductive Education being applied at CereCare centre in Shanghai, in China

http://www.cerebralpalsybirthinjuryblog.com/2009/12/conductive_education_and_cereb.html
Video on Heel and Toe centre on cerebral palsy birth injury lawyer blog.

http://american-conductor.blogspot.com/2009/10/conductive-education-news-from-north.html
News of Conductive Education Awareness Day and ACENA conference now on ACENA website.

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2009/12/16/conductive-education-centre-christmas-pantomime-97319-25397501/
Christmas play at NICE, in Birmingham

http://www.cerebralpalsylawdoctor.com/technology/hungarian-born-method-treats-children-with-cerebral-palsy.html
Report of CE at Jackson Center in US.

http://www.marchofdimes.org/NR/rdonlyres/DA937E23-BAD9-43FD-91E8-AB0D61A8027E/0/CENewsletterFall2009Winter2010.pdf
Latest March of Dimes Conductive Education Newsletter published.　

Cerebral palsy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1236238/Why-did-Jude-Richmond-kill-disabled-daughter-Her-close-friend-reveals-drove-brilliant-woman-desperation.html
Friend speaks of desperation and despair.

http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2009/4770.html
Research focuses on mums with disabilities.

http://planetthrive.com/2009/12/using-dance-to-rewire-a-cerebral-palsy-brain/
Using dance to help cerebral palsy

Multiple sclerosis

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1229840/Vitamin-D--missing-link-multiple-sclerosis-sufferers.html
Vitamin D may help reduce symptoms.

Parkinson’s disease

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2009/12/19/a-hospital-patient-is-aiming-to-raise-100-000-to-find-a-cure-for-parkinson-s-disease-97319-25425185/
Young sufferer raising money for research into Parkinson’s.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8396112.stm
Worm could offer Parkinson’s clue.

http://www.viartis.net/parkinsons.disease/news/091203.htm
Detailed description of Parkinson’s disease dated 1690, has been discovered.

Stroke

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1235896/Electric-shocks-retrain-throat-muscles-help-stroke-victims-eat-again.html

http://www.viartis.net/parkinsons.disease/news/091203.htm
Anti depressants can up risk of stroke.

Conductive Education on the television

Its that time of year for 'feel good' stories everywhere and I understand that the March of Dimes centre in Halifax, Nova Scotia has had a visit from Gobal news TV crew. A session with participants and conductor was videoed earlier this week and is expected to be broadcast over this weekend or early next week.

Apparently it will be on their website eventually at

http://www.globalmaritimes.com/.

Perhaps there are other centres receiving similar coverage at the moment.

Heard this morning...

This morning I heard an interesting discussion on BBC Radio 4's programme Start the Week. The story behind the Internet encyclopedia, Wikipedia, was reported and the effects, growth and results of its presence discussed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00p87qw#synopsis

Perhaps a similar encyclopedia relating to Conductive Education might prove enlightening and interesting to help those who know little about CE or understand its philosophy and practice. The entry for it in Wikipedia could do with elaboration and more detail perhaps. Difficult to establish I would think (technically and academically), and maybe it would not have enough solid knowledgable contributions.

Where has this week gone?

Since Sunday I have been the victim of a particulary nasty virus which has kept me in bed for five days and left me with a hacking cough and severe catarrh. Consequently, I have not even switched the computer on and checked my emails. When I did that this morning there was a large number of messages in my in-box and so I would like to say that if anyone has been waiting for a reply, please wait an little longer and I will get back to you all.